March 04, 2005

Simplistic about Islam

I'd like to thank all of you who keep coming by. I look at my stats and see a long line of zeros, and it makes me sad. (When the page has not been refreshed since the last visit, it sends a short "nothing changed" message instead of the whole page. Your browser then knows to redisplay the page from its cache.) The zeros mean that people keep coming by, but get nothing - kind of like having a visitor at dinnertime and not feeding them.

Amritas quotes David Frum:

We in the Western press often praise “moderate Islam.” But in practice, “moderate Islam” often turns out to be moderate in its actions only. As decent human beings, moderate Muslims will of course refrain from committing acts of oppression, cruelty, and terrorism. But intellectually, moderate Muslims have a difficult time explaining why these acts are “un-Islamic.”

I, too, am skeptical about the presence of a "moderate Islam" in any meaningful way. Yes, moderates exist, but they seem to have no following whatsoever. However, this is very different from saying that a moderate Islam cannot exist:

Socrates once posed a brain-twister to his disciples. “Is a good action good because it is approved by the gods? Or is it approved by the gods because it is good.” In other words – do the categories of right and wrong have an existence apart from divine will?

Islam’s answer to Socrates’ puzzle has been emphatic: An action is good because it is approved by Allah. There is no independent criterion of morality outside of the will of God. And since the Koran is an absolutely literal and accurate account of that will – since indeed in a deep sense the Koran itself actually incarnates that will – there is no independent criterion of morality outside the text of the Koran.

In other words: If the Koran says or teaches something that seems morally offensive, it is morality that is mistaken, not the Koran.

Intellectually, traditional Islam forms a closed system. You can exit the system (although the penalty for exit – apostasy – is death). But so long as you remain within it, the intellectual system forbids its own reform.

I would like to point out a few things. First, I don't believe that Islam takes the Qur'an (Koran) more literally than Jews or Christians take their holy books. After all, there are reams of Islamic discourse trying to figure out what it means. Note the wide differences among Jews and Christians (and between them!) - all of whom believe that they are following God's word. Second, there are already wide-ranging differences among Muslims, note particularly the differences between Sunnis and Shiites, but also wide-ranging differences among Shiites. Finally, I want to take issue with the phrase, "the intellectual system forbids its own reform". The same thing can be said about Catholicism, yet the Protestant reformation did happen.

UPDATE: The title of this post is a play on the Arabic root s-l-m, corresponding to Hebrew sh-l-m.

UPDATE: Thank you all for dropping by! I don't know when I'll be able to post next, but I at least plan on posting for Purim. So stay tuned.

Posted by David Boxenhorn at March 4, 2005 12:16 PM
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To complicate things even more, in nations where Islam is the dominant religion it seems that there is little freedom of speech. The question is does that arise from Islam, from the dictatorships, from the monarchs, from wealthy corrupt individuals tied into the ruling elite, outside govts. supporting non-democratic leaders for their own gain, or from some combination of all of them? It seems like there would be a lot to revolt against in these nations, beyond just the religious authorites, which makes is super difficult for free-thinking folks.

It seems to me that American Muslims are the most relaxed and most free Muslims in the world. Clearly there are some nutjobs, but on the whole they kind of just quietly do their thing. The university I attended in the DC area had a huge Muslim population and there weren't any serious problems that I know of in the six years I attended. Granted they were children of wealthy people working in DC and diplomats, mostly.

Posted by: Alice at March 4, 2005 06:43 PM Permalink

re: the quick peeks, drop-bys. We know that you're otherwise occupied, so take a gander. Nothing's new, so we quickly search elsewhere. So what's the problem?
you're not forgotten.
http://me-ander.blogspot.com/

Posted by: muse at March 5, 2005 09:19 PM Permalink

Moderate Islam is the hope we have for a future that is not filled with war.

Posted by: Jack at March 6, 2005 07:34 PM Permalink

I have been coming by to see if you have written anything new, but have been having trouble loading your page (local problems with the Australian line).

When is Purim this year?

Posted by: miki at March 9, 2005 07:39 AM Permalink

Purim is March 25 this year. As usual, it starts the night before (Thursday night).

Posted by: David Boxenhorn at March 9, 2005 08:45 AM Permalink

As always, thank you for feeding my spirit. ;)

Posted by: jinnderella at March 9, 2005 09:11 AM Permalink

Hello David,

I found this terrible, brilliant, and probably nazist piece of text:

I think you will find it disturbing:
http://atimes01.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GC08Aa02.html

S

Posted by: Kantor at March 9, 2005 11:18 PM Permalink

good post.

Posted by: razib at March 9, 2005 11:18 PM Permalink

Thank you, David.

Posted by: miki at March 10, 2005 01:00 AM Permalink

Thanks, Razib.

Posted by: David Boxenhorn at March 10, 2005 11:27 AM Permalink